The former Derby County defender, who moved from Everton to Old Trafford with David Moyes in the summer, is enjoying working with the Welshman and finding it a lot easier than trying to mark somebody who went on to become the most decorated player in British football history.
"I don't need to say anything about Ryan Giggs," the Reds' assistant manager told us. "He is a phenomenal player.
"I actually played against him in a Reserves game and reminded him recently of this. When he was 14 or 15 and a schoolboy, he played against Derby County at Old Trafford. I would have been about 18 and it was only my third or fourth Reserves game at Derby.
"He played left wing and I was right-back. He doesn't remember it but I remember, boy do I remember. He gave me an absolute torrid time. I couldn't stay with him or get near him.
"Afterwards, I received the biggest telling off I've ever had in my life from the manager Arthur Cox because a schoolboy had run me ragged. That would have been around 1987 or 1988 and, all this time later, he's still performing at the very highest level and putting in wonderful performances."