UTD Podcast with Darren Fletcher
Our next episode of UTD Podcast stars Darren Fletcher and the Scot's stories about Roy Keane are unmissable...
There was of course Roy Keane and his infamous MUTV interview. Now, we haven't seen it and we don't know what was said, but apparently there was a team meeting when you all watched it and he singled you out. He talked about it recently - did you feel like it was fair?" “Well, first thing's first, the headlines that came out of it... Roy Keane watched the game and gave an analysts’ view of it, so some of the words he used were in reference to an action in the game. So, for example, if he was talking about somebody's defending in the moment then he called it 'lazy defending' and the headline in the paper was 'Roy Keane calls that player lazy', so I think it a lot of it had been misconstrued. For me, I saw it as him saying about instances it the game in terms of it not being good enough for me and he was completely right. It was Roy Keane challenging me as Manchester United captain and it was something I was used to in the dressing room. The long and short of it is that I knew Roy Keane liked me and that was his way of showing he liked me, because he knew I was capable of more and wanted to challenge me. He would say 'yes, I was little bit harsh there on Fletch but it's because I like him and want him to do well'. So for me it was no problem at all. But I can see why Sir Alex Ferguson had a problem with the interview. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. It is not as bad as people think, but at the same time a manager had to make a decision based on what he thinks is best for the good of the team. It is something that hung around me for a long time, the fact that Roy Keane didn't like you and didn't rate you. But for me it was the complete opposite. I knew that Roy Keane really liked me. He challenged me and was hard on me, 100 per cent, but that was his way of making me a Manchester United player, manning up. The personality and the leader that I became was off the back of that grounding and that schooling.” Was it frustrating? I suppose some people thought Roy didn't think Darren wasn't going to make it and gets to some fans, who might think 'well if Roy doesn't rate him then why should we'... “And that is what happened. At the same time, that still hangs around now. I get people coming up to me and asking what I think of Roy Keane. I love Roy Keane! My dad, Sir Alex Ferguson and Roy Keane are the three biggest influences on my career. They are the people who helped me. The great thing about Roy Keane is that he says 10 things to you. One of them is classic Roy Keane where he has a go at you, lets you know and is really harsh on you. The other nine times he gives you a compliment, but nobody hears about that or wants to remember that because it is not a good story to tell. But that is the way I remember Roy Keane. Roy Keane was fantastic with me. Walking off the pitch beside Roy Keane and him saying to you, 'fantastic today son, I could play for another 10 years with you beside me in midfield'. Nobody hears that and it made me feel like a million dollars. The confidence I got from those words from Roy Keane massively outweighed the handful of times when he had a go at me and rightly so, because the levels or my standards were not that of a Manchester United player coming through, which is completely normal.” It says a lot about you because he knows your personality does not need that big ego and somebody bigging you up. He knew you were capable of taking the criticism. He wasn't going to criticise somebody who can't handle it, is he? “Without a doubt and I knew that! I always seen it as somebody who liked me, who was challenging me and was almost trying to build, not the next Roy Keane, but that sort of mentality and that is what it takes to play for Manchester United. Yes, you are a young lad, but it is a case of manning up very quickly. We are here to win. He talked about going to battle, going to war. All of these things, that is what he wanted and he wanted you to realise where you are. A lot of people talk about playing for Manchester United and they are living in the clouds, they are day dreaming, but there was none of that with Roy Keane and I took it as a compliment, because I was somebody who could handle it and I always handled it quite well. Yes, there were times when he had a go at you and you got a little bit down, but the next day he was there to pick you back up and give you a compliment. Then, boom, you are back to normal.” How did you feel when he left the club? “Yeah I was absolutely devastated and it affected everybody, including Sir Alex Ferguson. How much everyone respected and loved and admired and learned from this great player. Forget about leadership. What an unbelievable player! The best first touch you have ever seen and an unbelievable passer of the ball. People talk about talent and first they think about skills on the ball. Talent is epitomised by Roy Keane. He didn't do fancy tricks or that sort of thing, but he was the most dominant player on the pitch, ran the game with his personality and his heart and desire, would run through a brick wall, unbelievable passer of the ball, unbelievable stamina, unbelievable first touch, who controlled and dictated the tempo of a game. That is what you call talent. That is what you call talent in a long sentence, without trying to be too specific. People throw away comments about talent, like when you see somebody do a trick or a fancy bit of skill, and they say 'he is really talented' but it means nothing if you don't have those other things. I think all of that has been forgotten about now, without a doubt. Of course it has. We are in a generation of Twitter and YouTube and 12-second clips. Nobody watches a game for 90 minutes anymore and how somebody can control and dominate a game, and almost impact a game with their personality and will. We didn't just have Roy Keane who could do that, we had a whole team who could do that and for me that is why we had the best and most talented team around.”